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Start console without server running?
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Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:58 amby wujek
Hi. Would it be possible to start the console without previously starting the server? There are times when I want to change something in the console (categories, setup rendering profiles, setup directories, and so on) and I don't need the server running, but I still have to start it, as without it (version 0.52) the console moans there is no server. Would it be possible to change the bahaviour a little bit?
Re: Start console without server running?
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Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:18 pmby zip
No, not possible. You need the server to watch a mov ie so why would you want to change a category without the server running?
Re: Start console without server running?
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:49 amby wujek
I would just like to perform some configuration and not have to start the server. Or just update the library.
Agreed, this might not happen very often, most often I start the server without the console, but if I want to start the console without the server being started, I can't.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:13 amby zip
Configuration and library is done on the server, so it has to run to be able to perform those tasks.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:59 pmby wujek
Ok, but still, if I want to do the config, I have to start the server, then the console. If I could start the console first, then I just click a single button in it and start the server. I think it is simpler.
But, I don'w want to be a nuisance, if it's a no go, then it is a no go.
Thanks.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:42 amby Cerberus
wujek wrote:Ok, but still, if I want to do the config, I have to start the server, then the console. If I could start the console first, then I just click a single button in it and start the server. I think it is simpler.
But, I don'w want to be a nuisance, if it's a no go, then it is a no go.
Thanks.
its a NO go as the important program is the server as this will work without the console running and is the part the does everything, the Console is just a GUI ( general user interface) for the server nothing more.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:45 pmby Berny
zip wrote:Configuration and library is done on the server, so it has to run to be able to perform those tasks.
Well, i'm maybe wrong, but apparentely i use to force library updates (new files & folders) while the server is stopped.
Berny
Re: Start console without server running?
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Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:50 pmby Berny
wujek wrote:Ok, but still, if I want to do the config, I have to start the server, then the console. If I could start the console first, then I just click a single button in it and start the server. I think it is simpler.
But, I don'w want to be a nuisance, if it's a no go, then it is a no go.
Thanks.
I understand as i have the same problem, therefore i made a little proggy which starts the server, then the console and/or stops the server to leave alone the console.
If you're interested, just let me know.
Berny
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:02 amby Cerberus
Berny wrote:wujek wrote:Ok, but still, if I want to do the config, I have to start the server, then the console. If I could start the console first, then I just click a single button in it and start the server. I think it is simpler.
But, I don'w want to be a nuisance, if it's a no go, then it is a no go.
Thanks.
I understand as i have the same problem, therefore i made a little proggy which starts the server, then the console and/or stops the server to leave alone the console.
If you're interested, just let me know.
Berny
The console is useless without server running.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:04 amby Cerberus
____ UPDATE ____
This feature will NOT be implemented as without the server application running the console will not function so is rendered useless.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:44 amby Berny
Cerberus wrote:The console is useless without server running.
Serviio is recognized by my Panasonic Viera (i have 3 of them) only when i restart the server, this happens only when the connection is made wirelessly.
Therefore, i decided not to start Serviio with Windows.
While the server is stopped and the console is started, i can update my library and i have to say that the update for deleted items/new items in the library is made pretty quickly, then i have just to start the server when i want to use serviio and usually i close the console as i need it only once a day to update the library.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:24 pmby Cerberus
Berny wrote:Cerberus wrote:The console is useless without server running.
Serviio is recognized by my Panasonic Viera (i have 3 of them) only when i restart the server, this happens only when the connection is made wirelessly.
Therefore, i decided not to start Serviio with Windows.
While the server is stopped and the console is started, i can update my library and i have to say that the update for deleted items/new items in the library is made pretty quickly, then i have just to start the server when i want to use serviio and usually i close the console as i need it only once a day to update the library.
the library update wont actualy take place till server is running and if you mean STOPPING the server from inside the console, that doesnt actualy stop the server from running so this could be how you think your doing changes without server running.
but this is a mute point as this will not be implemented in any version of serviio.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:40 pmby Berny
Cerberus wrote:the library update wont actualy take place till server is running and if you mean STOPPING the server from inside the console, that doesnt actualy stop the server from running so this could be how you think your doing changes without server running.
but this is a mute point as this will not be implemented in any version of serviio.
I mean stopping the server not from inside the console but from Windows itself.
With regards to the last remark, it is implemented in my Serviio, i never asked for an implementation in a future release
Berny
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:50 pmby Cerberus
Berny wrote:Cerberus wrote:the library update wont actualy take place till server is running and if you mean STOPPING the server from inside the console, that doesnt actualy stop the server from running so this could be how you think your doing changes without server running.
but this is a mute point as this will not be implemented in any version of serviio.
I mean stopping the server not from inside the console but from Windows itself.
With regards to the last remark, it is implemented in my Serviio, i never asked for an implementation in a future release
Berny
erm you posted in FEATURE REQUESTS forum mate
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:52 pmby zip
Berny wrote:With regards to the last remark, it is implemented in my Serviio, i never asked for an implementation in a future release
That's cool. you can share it with the rest of us if you wish in the Third party tools forum:
viewforum.php?f=17
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:33 pmby wujek
Wow, this turned to be out a semi-heated conversation.
I can certainly live with the fact that it will never be implemented, it was just a proposal. I am perfectly capable of doing it myself, but I always prefer to ask for a feature to be integrated in the tool so that there is a standard way.
Just a quicky - if the Stop server button in the console doesn't actually stop the server, what does it do? Seems to be the kind of thinking as Microsoft guys had, that to exit / stop the OS you had to click the Start button?
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:07 pmby Cerberus
wujek wrote:Wow, this turned to be out a semi-heated conversation.
I can certainly live with the fact that it will never be implemented, it was just a proposal. I am perfectly capable of doing it myself, but I always prefer to ask for a feature to be integrated in the tool so that there is a standard way.
Just a quicky - if the Stop server button in the console doesn't actually stop the server, what does it do? Seems to be the kind of thinking as Microsoft guys had, that to exit / stop the OS you had to click the Start button?
it stops the process rather than the actual service itself, something to do with the way windows services work from what i understand from ZIP.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:27 pmby wujek
I don't know about windows services (and neither do I personally care ;d), but I just tested this under Linux. After clicking 'Stop server' my computer is no longer available on the TV as DLNA server. But, 'ps aux | grep java' still shows the process. So, it kind of stops the server, and at the same time, it doesn't. That's confusing.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:30 pmby Cerberus
wujek wrote:I don't know about windows services (and neither do I personally care ;d), but I just tested this under Linux. After clicking 'Stop server' my computer is no longer available on the TV as DLNA server. But, 'ps aux | grep java' still shows the process. So, it kind of stops the server, and at the same time, it doesn't. That's confusing.
exactly it stops communication from the server rather than stopping the service itself.
Re: Start console without server running?
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Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:43 pmby wujek
In that case the 'Stop server' button is rather inadequately named, IMHO. 'Stop streaming' or whatever would be more appropriate.
But it might be just me. After all, anybody who does't like it can just edit the resource bundles in servio-client.jar and repackage the jar to change the texts.
I would like to note that it might look as though I am complaining, but I am not - I love serviio.